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[E-lad]

Teachers in the US have had their problems when it comes to teaching evolution. From this article.

Sixty-two high school science teachers from the Atlanta area gathered at Emory’s Center for Ethics for a daylong workshop on teaching evolution. Some said they’ve had students cry, shout, and mount organized protests if they dared to mention the word “evolution” in class.

That's Georgia for ya.

We've had none of that at our schools.
I've told this story before, but when my son was junior I was at the mall one day and I see his biology teacher coming my way. He's got this shit eating grin on his face. Long/short- he says, "I wanted to let you know that Sonny brought up "the controversy" in class a couple days ago." I kinda face palmed but he said it turned out to be a fairly brief, but active discussion and he said he just stayed out of it.

[BeamStalk]

Teachers in the US have had their problems when it comes to teaching evolution. From this article.

Sixty-two high school science teachers from the Atlanta area gathered at Emory’s Center for Ethics for a daylong workshop on teaching evolution. Some said they’ve had students cry, shout, and mount organized protests if they dared to mention the word “evolution” in class.

The question should be "Why would they act this way?" Which the answer is obvious also, it is the parents at home telling the child bull shit. One still has to learn an effective way to counteract this in school without being hostile towards religion (ignoring the fact that some people think anything, and I mean anything, as being hostile towards their religion).

[vms]

The question should be "Why would they act this way?" Which the answer is obvious also, it is the parents at home telling the child bull shit.

At first I was wondering what the hell are the parents telling their kids that would make them cry at the mention of evolution. Then I remembered watching the movie 'Jesus Camp', wasn't wondering anymore.

[Whateverman]

WTF...

It looks like we need an international referendum on the theory of evolution. Presenting people with the cold hard facts isn't useful (apparently), so I suggest approaching it from a different direction: if the ToE is wrong for the various reasons claimed by theists, how do these mistakes impact our understanding of other ideas?

I feel that the people who champion Creationism in public forums can be shown to not believe what they're saying. In order for the ToE to be wrong, we have to be wrong about many many other things as well - and yet, the Creationists gladly accept our understanding in these areas.

Inconsistency = dishonesty. Reveal the dishonesty, and the debate goes away.

[IntellectualNinja]

If it's young Earth creationism, then they basically challenge every known field of science from astronomy to microbiology. If it's old earth creationism, then it ummm... what do old Earth creationists believe exactly? That the earth is 4.5 billion years old, but God made us a few thousand years ago? In any case, it goes against our understanding of fossilization, taxonomy, and fossil evidence such as the remains of homo habilis. In each case, parental testing would have to be thrown out as such genetic tests reveal relationships between species that wouldn't be there.

Also, much of our medicine relies on evolutionary theory to be true such as treatments for AIDS or any drug that was tested on another animal first.

Bye bye modern medicine!

[ExPatMatt]

If it's young Earth creationism, then they basically challenge every known field of science from astronomy to microbiology. If it's old earth creationism, then it ummm... what do old Earth creationists believe exactly? That the earth is 4.5 billion years old, but God made us a few thousand years ago? In any case, it goes against our understanding of fossilization, taxonomy, and fossil evidence such as the remains of homo habilis. In each case, parental testing would have to be thrown out as such genetic tests reveal relationships between species that wouldn't be there.

Also, much of our medicine relies on evolutionary theory to be true such as treatments for AIDS or any drug that was tested on another animal first.

Bye bye modern medicine!

In Old Earth Creationism they can co-opt science all the way up to around 6,000 years ago and say that that was when God implanted 'souls' into mankind. There's no real way to falsify this but it doesn't conflict with the teaching of the natural sciences (which they consider to be highlighting God's genius) so it's not too much of a problem. It's like theistic evolutionists - evolution happened, but God was watching it the whole way!

[IntellectualNinja]

So how do old earth creationists account for written or painted works older than 6,000 years?older

[BeamStalk]

If it's young Earth creationism, then they basically challenge every known field of science from astronomy to microbiology. If it's old earth creationism, then it ummm... what do old Earth creationists believe exactly? That the earth is 4.5 billion years old, but God made us a few thousand years ago? In any case, it goes against our understanding of fossilization, taxonomy, and fossil evidence such as the remains of homo habilis. In each case, parental testing would have to be thrown out as such genetic tests reveal relationships between species that wouldn't be there.

Also, much of our medicine relies on evolutionary theory to be true such as treatments for AIDS or any drug that was tested on another animal first.

Bye bye modern medicine!

In Old Earth Creationism they can co-opt science all the way up to around 6,000 years ago and say that that was when God implanted 'souls' into mankind. There's no real way to falsify this but it doesn't conflict with the teaching of the natural sciences (which they consider to be highlighting God's genius) so it's not too much of a problem. It's like theistic evolutionists - evolution happened, but God was watching it the whole way!

Actually OEC's believe in special creation of each "kind" also. At least the biggest criers of OEC do, Reasons to Believe. They deny evolution also, just not the age of the earth or universe. They claim that each "day" in Genesis is several million or billion of years.