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Historicity of Jesus

Postby Milo » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:38 pm

Anyone interested in a discussion of merits/pitfalls of the mythicists case for a non historical Jesus?
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby IntellectualNinja » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:36 pm

Not unless historians start to take the idea seriously. Conspiracy theories and what-not are fun, but some people take them waaaay too seriously.
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby zilch » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:09 pm

Sure, I'm interested, milo. I'm no expert, though. Fwiw, I don't think the evidence is conclusive one way or another.
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby Milo » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:50 pm

Well, some historians are starting to take it seriously. The difference between a Jesus who was basically a no body and that his followers turned into God is not very different from a pre-existent son of God revealed by scripture and revelation that was turned into a man. It is a question that probably will never be answered in a definitive way and in any case will not change any opinions on Jesus. I don't believe any man was God in human flesh because I don't believe there is a God therefore it doesn't matter if Jesus really walked the earth. Whether or not the mythicists view turns out to be correct or not, it does open up interesting questions on the origins of Christianity.

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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby E-lad » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:35 pm

Milo wrote:Well, some historians are starting to take it seriously. The difference between a Jesus who was basically a no body and that his followers turned into God is not very different from a pre-existent son of God revealed by scripture and revelation that was turned into a man. It is a question that probably will never be answered in a definitive way and in any case will not change any opinions on Jesus. I don't believe any man was God in human flesh because I don't believe there is a God therefore it doesn't matter if Jesus really walked the earth. Whether or not the mythicists view turns out to be correct or not, it does open up interesting questions on the origins of Christianity.

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I'd be more than happy to join/ watch a discussion on this fascinating topic.

I hold a view that has been shaped since I was 13 years old based on all my inquiries. Of course it is merely my opinion.
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I'd be interested to hear this version of the 'Mythicists View,' because, I've wavered in my own conclusions and I'm all ears!
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby Milo » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:42 pm

2 for and 1 against- not exactly a landslide but maybe enough to get the ball rolling.
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby IntellectualNinja » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:58 pm

Milo wrote:Well, some historians are starting to take it seriously.


Can you expand on this?
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby Milo » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:04 am

IntellectualNinja wrote:
Milo wrote:Well, some historians are starting to take it seriously.


Can you expand on this?


No. I know a couple of names but that would not be enough for you. I don't have sources for the claim by others that there are more and more scholars taking the theory seriously but that is what I have read. If I can find it again I will post it.
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby Chris » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:15 am

IntellectualNinja wrote:
Milo wrote:Well, some historians are starting to take it seriously.


Can you expand on this?


One historian taking the idea seriously is Richard Carrier. According to Wiki he got his PhD from Columbia uni in 2008. It describes him as "one of the leading current proponents of the Christ myth theory."

For the record I tend to swing back and forth on this but I would say I am mainly a realist rather than a mythicist.
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Re: Historicity of Jesus

Postby zilch » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:14 am

I'm no scholar at all on this, but I too am agnostic about Jesus' existence. There simply doesn't seem to be enough evidence to decide one way or the other- or more likely, somewhere in between. There are all kinds of possibilities that are all pretty defensible.
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