Language is universal

[zilch]

Part of the problem many fundamentalists have is a tendency to see things in black and white, when most interesting features of the real world are usually found on a scale (or more than one scale) in a continuum. As far as morality goes, this black-and-white tendency often leads fundies to claim that either morality is godgiven and objective, every moral act judged either right or wrong; or subjective and no more defensible than taste in ice cream (a favorite fundie comparison). The truth, of course, is far more complex. We humans, as social animals, have at least the basics of morality built in to some extent. Culture (including religion, laws, etc.) and ratiocination (what we're doing here) add to and refine that basis.

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It's just too bad the universe, particularly at the quantum level, doesn't follow the rules of logic such as the law of non-contradiction. Therefore, these rules must be descriptive as opposed to proscriptive and the result of thought which by definition is subjective.

Finally! Thanks for admitting that this universe, even on the quantum level, does follow the rules of logic such as the LNC.

[Debunking Atheists]

People get nervous when lying because they are afraid of the consequences of being caught in the lie. That's not some spiritual censor blaring at you: that is a real emotional response to the potential bad things that might happen to you if you get caught in your fib.

So your conscience says that lying is wrong. You cannot get an "ought from an "is", so lying is a wrong thing. If you actually felt lying was perfectly normal then you would not show the signs (high heart rate, fast speech, sweaty palms and so forth) of actually lying.

Many people lie all the time with no change in emotional state at all because either the stakes are low.

Bare assertion much? Pretty please show the data for this. This is why the machines work in the first place. It starts out with simple questions like is your name "John Doe" if they answer yes, its a tell on the machines.

or you're confident that you won't get caught

So getting " caught" is a bad thing?

Nervousness over the result of a lie detector can show up as a positive on the test.

Actually that is false to an expert on them. That is not the point goal post mover, Red Herring. The detectors merely record what ACTUALLY is happening to the body, tell tale signs that are recordable to a degree. That is the original point, that the signs are there. Not the machine's accuracy silly. Nice try though.

[Debunking Atheists]

Part of the problem many fundamentalists have is a tendency to see things in black and white,

Is "black" white or gray to you then?

when most interesting features of the real world are usually found on a scale (or more than one scale) in a continuum.

Like Laws? Is the LNC a sliding scale?

As far as morality goes, this black-and-white tendency often leads fundies to claim that either morality is godgiven and objective, every moral act judged either right or wrong; or subjective and no more defensible than taste in ice cream (a favorite fundie comparison). The truth, of course, is far more complex.

What is scarier is that you believe morality is a mere arbitrary personal choice. That raping babies, to a pedophile, is moral and just. Have you ever heard MJ speak of how normal it is to love a child and invite him into his bed? As an Atheist you cannot disagree, if morality is arbitrary that is. Would you let your 4-6 year old sleep with a 49 year old man in his own bed? If not, why not? Its just choices.

We humans, as social animals, have at least the basics of morality built in to some extent.

Can you account for that with your worldview and assertion that things are subjective/arbitrary?

Culture (including religion, laws, etc.) and ratiocination (what we're doing here) add to and refine that basis.

What basis if arbitrary?

BTW- nice talking with you again. Its been a while. :7)

[MaxFF]

So you conscience says that lying is wrong. You cannot get an "ought from an "is", so lying is a wrong thing. If you actually felt lying was perfectly normal then you would not show the signs (high heart rate, fast speech, sweaty palms and so forth) of actually lying.

Wow that's interesting, I had no idea speaking in front of large groups was immoral but my conscience tells me it is, apparently. All the signs are there, high heart rate, sweaty palms etc. God separated himself from me for speaking to too many people at once, Dan?

[IntellectualNinja]

Finally! Thanks for admitting that this universe, even on the quantum level, does follow the rules of logic such as the LNC.

You are quite welcome and mistaken, good sir, as I did indeed admit and did not admit that.

[zilch]

What is scarier is that you believe morality is a mere arbitrary personal choice. That raping babies, to a pedophile, is moral and just.

Where did I ever say that morality is a "mere arbitrary personal choice", Dan? You are showing us all in an exemplary fashion exactly what I said about fundies: the inability to see shades of grey. Fortunately, and unfortunately, the world is not such a simple place as that.

Dan, tell me the truth. If you were to lose your faith, would you molest your children? If not, why not?

Take care of yourself and your loved ones, cheers from Vienna, zilch

[Debunking Atheists]

Wow that's interesting, I had no idea speaking in front of large groups was immoral but my conscience tells me it is, apparently. All the signs are there, high heart rate, sweaty palms etc. God separated himself from me for speaking to too many people at once, Dan?

I c wut u did thar

That is some sort of equivocation fallacy. Sex creates the same thing. That does not mean its wrong, or am I now arguing against my point? :7p

[Debunking Atheists]

Dan, tell me the truth. If you were to lose your faith, would you molest your children? If not, why not?

Well denial of God does not negate God, and also does not negate a conscience. So no I wouldn't, of course.

RCC aside, some pedophiles find God/Christ and stop raping (repent), is that a wrong thing? Of course not. So encourage Christianity for the pedophiles. For the sake of the kids!

"If Atheists do not encourage Christianity, they are giving the green light to pedophiles" T-shirt™

"If Atheists do not discourage false religions, they are giving the green light to pedophiles" T-shirt™

"Atheist's morality are giving the green light to pedophiles" T-shirt™

"Its OK to rape Children, Moral relativism. Signed, The Atheists" T-shirt™

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