IntellectualNinja wrote:It's just too bad the universe, particularly at the quantum level, doesn't follow the rules of logic such as the law of non-contradiction. Therefore, these rules must be descriptive as opposed to proscriptive and the result of thought which by definition is subjective.
Azou wrote:People get nervous when lying because they are afraid of the consequences of being caught in the lie. That's not some spiritual censor blaring at you: that is a real emotional response to the potential bad things that might happen to you if you get caught in your fib.
Azou wrote:Many people lie all the time with no change in emotional state at all because either the stakes are low.
Azou wrote:or you're confident that you won't get caught
Azou wrote:Nervousness over the result of a lie detector can show up as a positive on the test.
zilch wrote:Part of the problem many fundamentalists have is a tendency to see things in black and white,
zilch wrote:when most interesting features of the real world are usually found on a scale (or more than one scale) in a continuum.
zilch wrote:As far as morality goes, this black-and-white tendency often leads fundies to claim that either morality is godgiven and objective, every moral act judged either right or wrong; or subjective and no more defensible than taste in ice cream (a favorite fundie comparison). The truth, of course, is far more complex.
zilch wrote:We humans, as social animals, have at least the basics of morality built in to some extent.
zilch wrote:Culture (including religion, laws, etc.) and ratiocination (what we're doing here) add to and refine that basis.
Debunking Atheists wrote:So you conscience says that lying is wrong. You cannot get an "ought from an "is", so lying is a wrong thing. If you actually felt lying was perfectly normal then you would not show the signs (high heart rate, fast speech, sweaty palms and so forth) of actually lying.
Debunking Atheists wrote:Finally! Thanks for admitting that this universe, even on the quantum level, does follow the rules of logic such as the LNC.
What is scarier is that you believe morality is a mere arbitrary personal choice. That raping babies, to a pedophile, is moral and just.
MaxFF wrote:Wow that's interesting, I had no idea speaking in front of large groups was immoral but my conscience tells me it is, apparently. All the signs are there, high heart rate, sweaty palms etc. God separated himself from me for speaking to too many people at once, Dan?
zilch wrote:Dan, tell me the truth. If you were to lose your faith, would you molest your children? If not, why not?
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