Tony laid off for 'financial reasons'

[rufustfirefly]

I'm certainly not worried about his finances (or LWs). He should have a pension from being a sheriff's deputy, and maybe it's time for Mrs. Miano to work outside of the home.

[E-lad]

Gee whiz, I can't figure out why he'd call us skeptics...Oh yeah maybe 'cuz it says so right there on the masthead. As you were.

[vms]

As to LW experiencing financial difficulties I tend to believe it. They did release this video back on June 12th begging for money.



As for firing Tony, the financial problems could have been just an excuse. His recent action of showing up behind a clinic where abortions occur could be one that spooked the rest of LW staff. He didn't demonstrate with signs (or his cross), he was just there.

[theBlackSwan]

I tend to agree with everyone in that it isn't purely financial at all. With all that having been said, is OnTheBox not going to be updated anymore? Tony was essentially the only one touching it the entire time, and we all know Ray can't moderate his own blog, much less be responsible for content of two of them.

[Godlesspanther2]

As to LW experiencing financial difficulties I tend to believe it. They did release this video back on June 12th begging for money.

As for firing Tony, the financial problems could have been just an excuse. His recent action of showing up behind a clinic where abortions occur could be one that spooked the rest of LW staff. He didn't demonstrate with signs (or his cross), he was just there.

But they always beg for money. That's what they do. It's their purpose. Have you ever seen one of these ministries say, "It's OK folks, we have plenty of money. God is satisfied with the amount that we've taken in, so don't bather to send any more donations."

[Godlesspanther2]

Tony is I guess what one would call "visible talent," so firing Tony is a big move. Putting forth my best twisted atheist bunker minion analysis here (you seem bitter, Tony), I wager:

A) They really did lay him off, and LW is in a bad spot. It's possible that Tony wasn't seen as super important, and his salary was just a large chunk of money they could take back. But generally, you quietly fire off backward people first as opposed to very publically showing how badly you need money.

B) Maybe they are hurting, money-wise, but not enough to need to fire Tony. Perhaps they intended to make a very public spectacle out of their financial need in order to drum up some sale/donations. Ray's shrewd enough to throw Tony overboard for this.

C) Tony has a history of getting in arguments with supposed allies. Things that LW prefers to keep quiet about, like their Calvinism. Maybe he went too far.

D) Tony is just a crazy guy with a downright scary need for authority. Maybe they saw him as PR poison?

Either way, couldn't have happened to a better jerk. I hope you actually learn something, Tony, and make an attempt to be a better person at the end.

I'll vote C and D. A and B may have played a lesser role in the scenario -- may not have.

But Tony learning something? No. Tony has it in his mind that it was nothing but a lay-off for financial reasons and it is going to stay in his mind that way. If he were to let it seep into his head that there may have been reasons that have to do with his fucked up behavior then Tony would have to start taking an honest look at himself. He would chop his dick off and shove a red-hot poker up his ass before he would do that.

[Chris]

As to LW experiencing financial difficulties I tend to believe it. They did release this video back on June 12th begging for money.

To be fair when has LW not been begging for more money?

[vms]

As to LW experiencing financial difficulties I tend to believe it. They did release this video back on June 12th begging for money.

To be fair when has LW not been begging for more money?

I've never before seen them outright ask for donations. I've always seen them plugging their wares (books, videos, courses, etc). Apparently they're not selling well.

[shadowmouse]

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[AD6LR]

I am not sure why I didn't think of this sooner, but another reason Tony may have been fired is that he did a "nor-cal fire"event that wasn't endorsed by LW a few days before he was fired.

Perhaps Ray was pissed LW didn't get a cut of the "love offering".