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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby lehman scott » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:20 pm

The Hamster has the following posting up on his facebook page:

Spent some time this morning with the Ark design team as we continue to design the Ark Encounter project


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Anybody got one of those machines I've seen in so many movies where you tell it to "pan left, pan down, zoom in, enhance"? If so, please use it on the drawings on the wall in the background, I really want to see some details on those...
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby zilch » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:33 pm

I'm pretty sure they say "atheists are poopy heads".
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby E-lad » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:58 pm

Virtually no donations in the last thirty days.

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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby Felix » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:04 pm

Isn't it true that they could meet their financial goals if they actually had the conviction their faith demands and started investing their own damn money? For some reason, it seems all these big evangelical projects demand other people's work. When is AiG staff going to move into their wooden huts, sell everything they have, and put every million they make into the Ark Park? Come on, if you're going to pretend you really care about saving souls from hellfire, at least make it look like you're serious.
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby Whateverman » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:20 pm

Felix wrote:Isn't it true that they could meet their financial goals if they actually had the conviction their faith demands and started investing their own damn money? For some reason, it seems all these big evangelical projects demand other people's work. When is AiG staff going to move into their wooden huts, sell everything they have, and put every million they make into the Ark Park? Come on, if you're going to pretend you really care about saving souls from hellfire, at least make it look like you're serious.


Interesting point, Felix, but I feel playing the devil's advocate is appropriate here:

It's possible that Team Hamster sees different methods of saving souls as being less effective or more effective than others, based on context. For example, giving people a warm fuzzy image of the Christian world view is best done by a theme park. Saving souls is best done by scaring the bejeezus out of them.

Asking them to give up their life's savings for this silly project assumes they feel it's the best possible method of saving souls. I doubt they feel this way, but instead see it as something that glorifies God the way Walt Disney might have...
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby E-lad » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:20 pm

Make no mistake. There is some big money behind the Hamster. It is very well kept secret and they do everything they can to get their minions to pay for everything, including the use of volunteers in the Hamseum.
The message that I am trying to get out is that while the Ark Park will be a For-Profit entity, why would people make donations to it's construction.? I think I have been somewhat successful.

I have hit Ham's Facebook page three times now telling Ham that I would like to 'invest' my money into the enterprise so that I might get a return on my money rather than donate. On one occasion I was directed to email a certain person, which I did, but never got a response.
The big money is there but they would rather have old ladies donate their homes and take money from people struggling to pay their bills rather than spend their own money.

Ham and the big money behind him are just more vile scam artists getting the money out of others' pockets to line their own. They hardley even try to hide it any more, but the minions just keep on giving.
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby zilch » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:48 am

Whateverman wrote:It's possible that Team Hamster sees different methods of saving souls as being less effective or more effective than others, based on context. For example, giving people a warm fuzzy image of the Christian world view is best done by a theme park. Saving souls is best done by scaring the bejeezus out of them.

Asking them to give up their life's savings for this silly project assumes they feel it's the best possible method of saving souls. I doubt they feel this way, but instead see it as something that glorifies God the way Walt Disney might have...

Yep. The great thing about American fundamentalism is that you don't have to give up greed, and you're still saved. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't be a huckster.
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby E-lad » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:37 pm

We have the results for the last 30 days and there is virtually no change in relation to their goal.

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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby zilch » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:42 pm

E-lad wrote:We have the results for the last 30 days and there is virtually no change in relation to their goal.

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But who knows? The red target line is linear, and maybe (maybe...) the blue actual line is one of those exponential thingies, that keeps low and slow for a long time, but then suddenly bursts into action and leaps to the sky, I mean the y. But I sorta doubt it somehow.
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Re: Ark Encounter $$$

Postby E-lad » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:51 pm

zilch wrote:
E-lad wrote:We have the results for the last 30 days and there is virtually no change in relation to their goal.

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But who knows? The red target line is linear, and maybe (maybe...) the blue actual line is one of those exponential thingies, that keeps low and slow for a long time, but then suddenly bursts into action and leaps to the sky, I mean the y. But I sorta doubt it somehow.


I quite agree that there will be an exponential thingie happen at some point. And that will be the point where Ham and his cronies have wrung out all the money they can from their hapless minions; the grandmothers living on fixed incomes, et al. Then his rich buddies who are poised to make a profit from this absurd enterprise will kick in to get the project done.

It pisses me off to o end that he is asking for donations to help build a for-profit company. I still don't think his minions understand what he is perpetrating on them.
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