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Exodus Six - Memento

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Exodus Six - Memento

Postby BaldySlaphead » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:53 pm

Source: NIV.

In which God tells Neo Skybaggins that he really is going to sort Pharaoh out this time and we discover exactly how he's related to Aaron Neville.

Some old familiar themes come back for chapter six in a way that suggests that if there really were a single author, he must be suffering some sort of damage to the hippocampus resulting in an inability to make memories...

1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Now you will see what I will do to Pharaoh: Because of my mighty hand he will let them go; because of my mighty hand he will drive them out of his country.” 2 God also said to Moses, “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the Lord I did not make myself known to them. 4 I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens. 5 Moreover, I have heard the groaning of the Israelites, whom the Egyptians are enslaving, and I have remembered my covenant.


Right, Skybaggins, no more Mr Nice Guy; it’s time to get busy with the fizzy; I’m going to make Pharaoh let the Israelites go. Oh, and have a quick pre-credits summary of relevant plot points from the previous couple of seasons.

6 “Therefore, say to the Israelites: ‘I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment. 7 I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God, who brought you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you to the land I swore with uplifted hand to give to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. I will give it to you as a possession. I am the Lord.’”

“Here are the mighty words of power that thou shalt speak unto the Israelites to make them believe.”
9 Moses reported this to the Israelites, but they did not listen to him because of their discouragement and cruel bondage.


“Sorry, Lord; they didn’t buy it.”

10 Then the Lord said to Moses, 11 “Go, tell Pharaoh king of Egypt to let the Israelites go out of his country.” 12 But Moses said to the Lord, “If the Israelites will not listen to me, why would Pharaoh listen to me, since I speak with faltering lips?”


Apparently the Hebrew expression given here as “faltering lips” is better rendered as “I am uncircumcised of lips”, which sounds painful. Given the root of the word circumcision is related not to penises but to circles, I have to hope that they are not attempting to draw some analogy between having some part of your anatomy hacked away, but referring to his speech impediment.

Now, get a nice hot cup of cocoa and sit back as we take a rather tedious detour into genealogy.

13 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron about the Israelites and Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he commanded them to bring the Israelites out of Egypt.


OK, not that, but it’s coming up now. That’s just lumped together with all the following stuff:

14 These were the heads of their familiese:
The sons of Reuben the firstborn son of Israel were Hanoch and Pallu, Hezron and Carmi. These were the clans of Reuben.
15 The sons of Simeon were Jemuel, Jamin, Ohad, Jakin, Zohar and Shaul the son of a Canaanite woman. These were the clans of Simeon.
16 These were the names of the sons of Levi according to their records: Gershon, Kohath and Merari. Levi lived 137 years.
17 The sons of Gershon, by clans, were Libni and Shimei.
18 The sons of Kohath were Amram, Izhar, Hebron and Uzziel. Kohath lived 133 years.
19 The sons of Merari were Mahli and Mushi.
These were the clans of Levi according to their records.
20 Amram married his father’s sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.
21 The sons of Izhar were Korah, Nepheg and Zicri.
22 The sons of Uzziel were Mishael, Elzaphan and Sithri.
23 Aaron married Elisheba, daughter of Amminadab and sister of Nahshon, and she bore him Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar.
24 The sons of Korah were Assir, Elkanah and Abiasaph. These were the Korahite clans.
2 5Eleazar son of Aaron married one of the daughters of Putiel, and she bore him Phinehas.
These were the heads of the Levite families, clan by clan.


Got that? Boring, wasn’t it? One has to wonder what the justification for this is? Commentators suggest it’s to show that Aaron and Moses were of the lineage from Levi, whom we know to be the priestly caste. It’s probably just shoring up their power base. In any case, it’s proof by assertion at best.

26 It was this same Aaron and Moses to whom the Lord said, “Bring the Israelites out of Egypt by their divisions.” 27They were the ones who spoke to Pharaoh king of Egypt about bringing the Israelites out of Egypt. It was the same Moses and Aaron.


Yes, we know. Our hippocampi are fine.

28 Now when the Lord spoke to Moses in Egypt, 29 he said to him, “I am the Lord. Tell Pharaoh king of Egypt everything I tell you.”

30 But Moses said to the Lord, “Since I speak with faltering lips, why would Pharaoh listen to me?”


Isn’t this where we came in*?

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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby Personal Failure » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:57 pm

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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby BaldySlaphead » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:03 pm

You win a copy of Kirk Cameron's fireproof!
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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby BeamStalk » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:06 pm

BaldySlaphead wrote:You win a copy of Kirk Cameron's fireproof!


Damn I was going to guess Hypercube 2.
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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby Quasar » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:47 am

26 It was this same Aaron and Moses to whom the Lord said, “Bring the Israelites out of Egypt by their divisions.” 27They were the ones who spoke to Pharaoh king of Egypt about bringing the Israelites out of Egypt. It was the same Moses and Aaron.

No really, it was! The same Moses and Aaron! I'm not kidding, it was the same Aaron and Moses that we just told you about! Remember when we told you that it was the same Aaron and Moses? That was the same Moses and Aaron as the other time we told you about Aaron and Moses! And guess who they were? Yep! The same Moses and Aaron! I'm serious, dude! How cool is that!

The Bible: Master of the subtle Continuity Nod.

And the biblicans think that Moses wrote this!? Yes that's right: It was the same Moses (and Aaron)!

Actually, it kind of fits. Moses has a speech impediment, the author has a writing impediment... and now it's canon.
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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby Personal Failure » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:11 pm

BaldySlaphead wrote:You win a copy of Kirk Cameron's fireproof!


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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby BeamStalk » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:32 pm

As for authors of Episode 6 here, this one is kind of interesting.

It starts out as a continuation of the E story in the previous chapter. This is only for the first verse though.

Verse 2 starts the P story. Notice in verse 3 there is a contradiction. Here YHWH tells Moses that his fathers never knew God by his name YHWH. Yet in Genesis 18:14; 24:3, 26:22; 27:20, 27; 28:16 they did call him YHWH. The difference is that all these passages are J source. This passage is also a doublet of the E story where God reveals his name to Moses, Exodus 3:15.

The P story continues through verse 11.

At verse 12 the Redactor starts. As was pointed out verse 12 is almost an exact copy of verse 30. The Redactor does this as an epanalepsis (a resumptive repetition) surrounding the genealogy of Aaron and Moses in the middle of God's conversation with Moses. Since Moses says, "the children of Israel didn't listen to me" here in verse 12, but he has not yet spoken with the children of Israel in P, then this first occurrence must be the Redactor while the second must be P.

Notice also in verse 13 that Aaron is suddenly in the picture, earlier God was just speaking to Moses. In the P story God does not speak to Aaron until Leviticus 11:1. This is another clue that this section is the Redactor and not P.

Verses 14 through 25 comes from the Book of Records or from some other separate source document. The Redactor only uses the first part of it covering genealogies of Reuben to Levi, and then stopping at Aaron and his successors, thus leaving out the remaining nine tribes of Israel.

Verses 26 through 29 are the Redactor again. It is the way he phrases the first sentence that eludes to that. Saying, "That is Aaron and Moses... who..." The redactor uses this same phrasing in Numbers 26:9, "That is Dathan and Abiram... who..."

Verse 30 is back to the P story, which continues on into the next chapter.
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Re: Exodus Six - Memento

Postby Imtherabbit » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:45 pm

Getting nowhere fast seems to come to mind in all this :D

I just had to do a little editing to what I've already prepaired for my shot at this... I was commenting after every numbered line. Y*8-} Don't worry, I went back and fixed it... thing was 7 pages long Y*:-
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