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their first life

Postby Tilia » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:50 am

Yesterday, I wanted to watch my favorite program on TV, but I was some minutes early so I checked the other channels and came across a program which was called "Mein erstes Leben" = "My first life"

There they had put a girl in trance who saw herself living in an early 16th century castle. She described it vaguely, and somehow they were able to find a fitting place. (Wow. How many castles are there in Europe? And one fits a vague description about stone walls, placed on a stony hill above a forest and with some device to pull goods up to the castle? Amazing)

Then she described a town in the distance of ca. 10 km and there is one (Well, 12 km, but who cares. Isn't it more amazing, that somebody who believes to see through the eyes of a 16th century woman describes distances in the metric system?)

She describes the town. Timber-framed houses and a church. (Amazing. Like in almost all 16th century towns in central Europe.)

The church had a big round glass window (see above)

Some children were there playing a famous 16th century game (Wow. How good she possibly have known?)

I kept watching because I hoped they would add some skepticism to that story. And they did ask an "expert".

...

A physicist

...

Who babbled something about science can't prove personal experiences.

Hey, who tells us that this girl wasn't simply lying?

But even if some people have these kind of "memories". But the first one I'd ask about that would be a psychologist or even better a neurobiologist (Yes, someone like me, with the difference that such an expert should actually work with human brains).

And the worst thing is that some people will buy that story and tell everybody who (doesn't) want to hear about it, that "they proved in on TV"
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Re: their first life

Postby Personal Failure » Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:33 pm

i see people- they have eyes!
I'm on ur internetz degradin ur language wit mai ignorance an apathy.

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Re: their first life

Postby E-lad » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:37 pm

I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last life either. 8-)
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Re: their first life

Postby Quasar » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:57 pm

Ah the wonderful world of human gullibility. It's always annoying to watch a show and realise you could have given a far better explanation than the 'experts' they chatted to.

But nobody wants to hear that their deeply held beliefs in mysticism are absolute bullshit, so they stack the deck. Just add the producers of the show to the list of people you'll hunt down when you're ultimate overlord of the universe, and leave it at that.
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Re: their first life

Postby Whateverman » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:10 pm

Although I sympathize with the anti-woo crowd, anyone who watches tv and thinks "This is information, not entertainment" needs to be removed from the gene pool.

Personally, I love UFO shows. Part of me likes watching for the obvious bias towards belief rather than proof, but part of me also likes tweaking the notion that we're being visited. In both cases, I'm acutely aware that the show was designed not to tell me stuff, but to keep me interested long enough that I allow myself to watch ~15 minutes of commercials.
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Re: their first life

Postby E-lad » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:24 pm

Whateverman wrote:Personally, I love UFO shows. Part of me likes watching for the obvious bias towards belief rather than proof, but part of me also likes tweaking the notion that we're being visited. In both cases, I'm acutely aware that the show was designed not to tell me stuff, but to keep me interested long enough that I allow myself to watch ~15 minutes of commercials.


Me too! I don't watch them all, but they are fun to watch and wonder, "just who the fuck do these people think they are fooling?"
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Re: their first life

Postby IntellectualNinja » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:32 pm

E-lad wrote:
Whateverman wrote:"just who the fuck do these people think they are fooling?"


Just like Ken Ham and his "creation museum." I found the more bogus of a belief you hold, the more you want others to believe it.
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Re: their first life

Postby Quasar » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:50 pm

IntellectualNinja wrote:
E-lad wrote:
Whateverman wrote:"just who the fuck do these people think they are fooling?"


Just like Ken Ham and his "creation museum." I found the more bogus of a belief you hold, the more you want others to believe it.

At first I thought you may be onto something there, but it could be more a case of selective reporting:

Holds Normal Belief: Doesn't care what others believe: We don't notice them
Holds Normal Belief: Wants other to believe: We ignore them
Holds Bogus Belief: Doesn't care what others believe: We don't notice them
Holds Bogus Belief: Wants other to believe: We notice them
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