Everyone, meet HaleyGirl16. Her profile makes my eyes and my heart hurt, and not just because of the horrific green-on-purple-on-green combo:
What I believe (feel free to ask about any of these):
The Bible is the literal Word of God.
Salvation by grace thru faith alone
JESUS NAME baptism of believers (Acts 2:38)
Filling with the Holy Ghost AFTER salvation
Speaking in tongues
Second Physical Coming of Christ
I am Pro Life
I'm Anti Homosexuality NOT Anti Homosexual or a homophobe
Anything else about my beliefs you wanna know just ask me
This girl has said, apparently with a straight face, that homosexuality was comparable to pedophilia and puppy raping and corpse banging. Recently, it's gotten to the point were everything I type I have to erase and come back to later because it's filled with swear words and venom.
Here's what's broken it a bit. There was more, but this was the main thing:
me wrote:Also, keep your religion away from my friends and family, thanks. I doubt you'd appreciate it if Jews tried to make it illegal to eat pork, or Hindus tried to force a caste system into the legal system, so why on earth do you think it's okay to force this discriminatory crap down the throats of every non-religious (Or liberal-religious) person in America? You don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't get one. But don't take away legal benefits just because you think homosexuality is morally comparable to pedophilia (which is utterly stupid and ridiculous and wrong anyway).
Haley wrote:Chloe this is a Christian forum. You don't have to like it, but expect for religion to be a major reason as to why people agree or disagree with homosexuality.
Also, please watch what you say in your posts. You can disagree all you'd like, but bashing what others believe is not allowed. According the the Bible, it is comparable to pedophilia. Same as sex with animals is comparable to pedophilia. Again, you are on a Christian forum. You can disagree with Christian beliefs all you want to, but you're not allowed to bash, like you came dangerously close to doing in this post.
me wrote:Ah, I see. You saying that me, my uncle, my best friend, and my cousin might as well be child molesters is fine, Christian-like in fact, but me taking exception to that is bashing your religion. Right.
I'm not bashing Christianity. I'm taking (completely valid) offense to the idea that because my friends, family and I have (in my case purely romantic, in the others both romantic and sexual) feelings towards people of the same gender, we may as well be taking sexual advantage of children. That's a horrific way to think, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that disgusts me. And just like it's your right to say such horrible things about people you don't even know, it's my right to stand up and say that's an awful thing to do. And as you clearly have no respect for me or my beliefs or those I hold dear (how could you? We might as well be child molesters, after all), why on earth should I show you or your beliefs an iota of respect? What have you done to deserve that? Other can compare me to baby molesters and puppy rapers, I mean.
If you can sit back on your computer and say I may as well be molesting a child every time I think the girl next to me looks pretty, I can stand up and say that that is a horrible way to think. And if that's bashing Christianity, I think you seriously need to reevaluate your religious beliefs.
This previous statement got through, despite my being certain that it wouldn't. The mod who let it through had this to say in the main thread:
Ronald wrote:me wrote:Ah, I see. You saying that me, my uncle, my best friend, and my cousin might as well be child molesters is fine, Christian-like in fact, but me taking exception to that is bashing your religion. Right.
I'm not bashing Christianity. I'm taking (completely valid) offense to the idea that because my friends, family and I have (in my case purely romantic, in the others both romantic and sexual) feelings towards people of the same gender, we may as well be taking sexual advantage of children. That's a horrific way to think.
Just fyi, I agree with this and I speak out often against Christians who equate Raping and murdering a child with lying twice. I've had multiple discussions with Christians on the topic and I don't want some people believing that this is actually a true belief in Christianity when it most certainly is not.
This was completely ignored by Haley until someone else brought it up.
Jonathan Williams wrote:Radical said "most Christians seems to describe marriage as simply being a means to have sex and babies..." No, we do view marriage as merely physical, we view sex (physical union) as a comsumation. Love is part of marriage, but not all of it. If mutual love is the only prerequisite to marriage, then marriage between fathers and daughters, mothers and sons, brothers and sisters, and three or more different adults should also be legalised, upon the condition that ‘they love each other’. Would you object to any of these arrangements?
Radical said "keep your religion away from my friends and family".
Do you believe that religion should never influence politics, and laws should only be decided by people?
Radical said, You don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't get one. But don't take away legal benefits just because you think homosexuality is morally comparable to pedophilia (which is utterly stupid and ridiculous and wrong anyway).
You dont like nuclear weapons? Dont own one. You don't like slavery? Dont own one. You dont like incestuous marriages? Dont get one. You dont like marriages to inanimate objects? Dont get one. Dont take away these benefits from me just because you think they are wrong.
If I said that there was nothing wrong with slavery, incest, and marrying inanimate objects, what would you appeal to to say that you are right and I am wrong?
THEN she responds. Not to me of course; R'hllor forbid she acknowledges me beyond accusing me of bashing her religion. She responds to Johnny Boy's last, utterly ridiculous comeback.
Haley wrote:Thank you, thank you, and THANK you! I get so sick and tired of hearing the argument "If you don't like gay marriage don't get one! But don't take away my right!" That's lovely. Now going on that thought process, let's not dare try and stop Iran and North Korea from having nuclear weapons because they have a right. We'll allow fathers to marry there daughters and mothers to marry there sons because they want to. Why stop there? Let's allow old men and women to marry teenagers because they're in love. After all, they love each other and they want to right? Open every courthouse in the nation and let people marry rocks and puppies and inflatable dolls because they're in love and they should have a right to marry who or what they love right?
I get tired of people making it sound like Christians just don't like it, as if they have no basis. It's an abomination in the eyes of God. It's wrong. It's the equivalent to pedophilia, incest, necrophilia, bestiality, and other unacceptable relationships or sex acts. That's not Christians talking, those are Biblical comparisons. Be it a secular government or not, the nation is still influenced by religion. And because of that, many people in and out of the government hold to homosexuality being a perversion of how God set up sex and relationships to work. It's not just Christians saying it's icky. It's a belief that looks at nature and sees that most people want to be with one person of the opposite sex. That's the norm. That's accepted as healthy and the correct way to have a relationship, marriage, and sex. People (even non religious) see big problems in adults having sex with children, people having sex with family members, with corpses, with animals, with objects, and with people of the same sex.
Also, since I've heard the "it's found among the animals" argument before, I'd like to say that personally, I don't care if 2 male turtles go at each other. Or 2 female lions. Or 2 same sex monkeys or fish or birds or bugs or anything else. 2 big differences between us and animals, God created us above the animals and God gave us morals and standards. He didn't tell the turtles not to have homosexual sex. He told humans that it made him sick to see people have homosexual sex because that's not how he meant it to go. He didn't tell the lions not to get same sex marriage. He told humans that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. There are A LOT of things that we see in nature that are unacceptable for humans to do.
Birds push there babies out of nests in hopes that they won't land on there heads. In the human world, that's child abuse. Lions kill each other over a piece of meat. In human society, that's murder. Most animals have sex with a random partner every year and a female animal has off springs by several different mates. In human life the man and woman would both be labeled sexually promiscuous. And you can bet that if a mother threw her child out to fend for itself and then used the argument that "Birds do it so it's natural" the only thing saving her from jail would be an insanity plea. Just because it's found in the animals, doesn't mean it's ok for humans to do it too.
So yeah, for anyone else who wants to use the "Don't like it, don't do it" and "It's found in the animals" arguments, they are getting really old.
Nothing I write would get through. I just want to curl up and die because, really. You can't argue with these people. Because, to them, it makes perfect sense. They live in this little black-and-white fantasy world were this is good and that's evil because the Bible says so. And saying anything against this crap is officially against the rules.